Episode 140: The Road Ahead

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[00:00:12] Welcome to your Uncensored Home for World of Warcraft news and opinions.

[00:00:27] This is Unshackled Fury.

[00:00:31] A new year is upon us and the road ahead is looking strong.

[00:01:04] Well, the face of this little program changes forever.

[00:01:10] So welcome back to your Uncensored Home for World of Warcraft news and opinions.

[00:01:15] Unshackled Fury.

[00:01:16] I'm your host Berzerker. This is episode 140.

[00:01:19] And on today's show we're taking a look at the year to come,

[00:01:23] the World of Warcraft 2024 roadmap and what kind of ride we might be in for.

[00:01:30] But first, about a week ago I teased something.

[00:01:36] Something big. Something big was coming to Unshackled Fury in the sort of stupid goofy way that I teased these kinds of things.

[00:01:42] And if you are looking at the episode description, if you've already downloaded this,

[00:01:48] you already know what the big announcement is and what I'm going to say.

[00:01:51] But you know, fuck it, it's my show and I'm going to go through this whole monologue anyway.

[00:01:55] So, as most of you know, listen to the show long enough.

[00:01:59] There's been sort of eras of this show.

[00:02:02] There was the initial launch of the show which I did for a year,

[00:02:05] kind of figuring it out, just being very angry and ragey and then it took a little break.

[00:02:09] Came back with Navox and we had a hell of a run.

[00:02:12] The two of us sort of like that second phase of the show

[00:02:15] and I really think we found the voice and the footing of the show at that time.

[00:02:19] And then Nav took his leave and then for the last couple years

[00:02:23] there's been sort of phase three, the bonus roll, Warcraft Radio Era

[00:02:27] and kind of trying to find new heights to climb to.

[00:02:32] And I think we did accomplish some pretty great things,

[00:02:36] especially in the last year getting press access to BlizzCon

[00:02:39] and doing all the fun stuff there.

[00:02:42] And during that time, some of you know,

[00:02:45] and I do want to thank the one listener who reached out

[00:02:48] and offered to be my new co-host and thank you for offering those services

[00:02:52] and I apologize that I did not do the open tryouts that I promised.

[00:02:56] Most of you know that doing the show solo has not always been my preference,

[00:03:02] but you know, I'm not exactly out here trying to, like I talked about,

[00:03:07] hold open tryouts or look for what the next thing is going to be.

[00:03:12] I knew if it was going to happen it was always going to happen organically

[00:03:17] and I had a short list, a very short list of people I thought,

[00:03:21] and if it ever came together, if the forces ever conspired to help,

[00:03:27] if the planets aligned whatever, this would make a really solid combination.

[00:03:32] This would be something that we could do,

[00:03:34] but usually it was people that either weren't involved in the community anymore

[00:03:39] or had other things going on or this and that.

[00:03:42] But one of the people that, I was pretty top of the list,

[00:03:46] reached out about a week ago

[00:03:49] and expressed interest in joining this ridiculous little program

[00:03:56] and we had a really great conversation about a week ago

[00:04:00] about podcasting, about Warcraft, about kind of the scene in general

[00:04:05] and about what the future could be.

[00:04:09] And so it is with immense pleasure that I introduce to all of you

[00:04:17] the managing editor at Windows Central

[00:04:20] and now one half of the hosting superpower at Unshackled Fury,

[00:04:26] Mr. Jez Corden.

[00:04:28] Welcome to your new home, sir.

[00:04:30] Happy to have you aboard.

[00:04:31] Hello!

[00:04:34] That was an awesome epic intro.

[00:04:37] I'm super pleased to be part of this new era of your illustrious show.

[00:04:43] I've been, you know, since the old days, man,

[00:04:46] Warcraft Radio and just sort of the recognition that you

[00:04:52] and the rest of the guys have has been, you know,

[00:04:55] it's a source of nostalgia for me.

[00:04:57] So I was like, you know what?

[00:04:59] I'm going to see if we can do something fun here

[00:05:02] and load the hold. Here we are.

[00:05:04] Here we are by Gally. We made it.

[00:05:06] We're crossing like a thousand different time zones

[00:05:10] and, you know, trying to sync up our lives,

[00:05:13] which is no small feat in itself.

[00:05:15] The fact that we're sitting here right now, I think it's fantastic.

[00:05:18] Once again, I've found a way to match up our lives

[00:05:22] and our schedules and, you know, crossing an ocean

[00:05:25] and a whole bunch of other stuff that we're making this work.

[00:05:28] It's truly a global effort now

[00:05:30] and, you know, what more could be asked?

[00:05:33] Honestly.

[00:05:34] Yeah, it can be really tough.

[00:05:36] Like, because I do all the shows and stuff like that

[00:05:40] and a lot of the action is happening across the pond

[00:05:43] in the United States.

[00:05:45] So oftentimes I find myself having meetings

[00:05:47] two in the morning to accommodate West Coast hours.

[00:05:50] So I'm familiar with the difficulties of times.

[00:05:54] But hopefully we'll make it work, you know,

[00:05:56] and then we'll see what goes.

[00:05:58] We're going to make it work.

[00:05:59] First step into a new and larger and exciting world.

[00:06:03] Yes, we do try to keep things pretty lively on the side of the pond

[00:06:07] for good or for ill.

[00:06:09] It's not always great, but you know, we'll try to make it awesome.

[00:06:12] And so in your honor, of course,

[00:06:16] we have to have an epic metal album of the week.

[00:06:19] And as I think we discussed when you first came on this show

[00:06:23] a year and a half ago, I believe it was like March, April of 22.

[00:06:29] You had mentioned that you had hailed from the land of Ozzy Osbourne.

[00:06:34] So I have to for this one pick the all time Black Sabbath great paranoid,

[00:06:40] which came out September of 1970.

[00:06:44] I finally picked an album that's older than me way older than me.

[00:06:48] I'm not even close to that old, but this is one of the most influential albums

[00:06:54] of all time, one of the most influential heavy metal albums of all time.

[00:06:58] And just like you, sir, one of the most influential podcasters in all the land.

[00:07:03] It's been with a filthy Xbox program and now we're happy to have you on the blizzard side of things.

[00:07:11] Well, hey, Xbox owns blizzard now.

[00:07:14] Oh, it's kind of appropriate, right?

[00:07:18] But yeah, I have from the land of the West Midlands in good old England,

[00:07:25] the land of Black Sabbath Judas Priest.

[00:07:28] Was it required listening as a school child?

[00:07:32] Pretty much, you know, I did strong metal tradition in the region.

[00:07:38] And obviously, you know, Ozzy and Co have been quite instrumental

[00:07:47] in popularizing the regional accent and dialect.

[00:07:51] You know, and yeah, Sharon.

[00:07:57] It's kind of about my grandparents talk, right?

[00:07:59] I noticed that when I'm when I'm like podcasting with like Americans or people from other countries,

[00:08:05] I sort of unconsciously reduce the aggressiveness of my accent.

[00:08:11] I don't know why because I want to be as clear as possible for the untrained ear.

[00:08:17] You know, and a lot of people think like every sort of British person talks like Harry Potter,

[00:08:24] you know, like a Southern or something.

[00:08:26] But accents are fun, man.

[00:08:30] It's only as an adult that I've really learned that the accents are different depending on the region, right?

[00:08:34] As a kid, you grow up in America and you're like everybody from England sounds the same.

[00:08:39] And no, just like, it's every time, man.

[00:08:44] Every single town has its own accent.

[00:08:46] It's crazy.

[00:08:47] Like at school, you know, you know, like that that kid's not from around it.

[00:08:51] He's not from around it.

[00:08:55] Getting outed by your accent alone.

[00:08:57] Well, well, there you go, folks.

[00:09:00] If you have never heard of this album, then I'm not even sure, frankly, what you've been listening to because this one,

[00:09:07] this one's one of the all time greats has been covered.

[00:09:10] I don't know a million times, but Warpigs, Paranoid, Planet Caravan, Iron Man,

[00:09:16] which I think is probably the one that even like my mom knows and she, you know, vaguely knows a black Sabbath, I think.

[00:09:23] That's all like the side side stuff.

[00:09:26] That's that's the big stuff.

[00:09:27] But Electric Funeral Hand of Doom, great song, Rat Salad and Ferry's Wear Boots also another very popular song.

[00:09:34] It's it's one of the all timers and it's only like 40 minutes long.

[00:09:38] So if you've never listened to this back to back, just bang it out.

[00:09:41] Think about it.

[00:09:42] Do yourself a favor.

[00:09:43] So Black Sabbath, Paranoid, your metal album of the week.

[00:09:48] Now, which is here.

[00:09:52] Things are going to be new.

[00:09:54] Things are going to be different.

[00:09:55] Things might change along the way.

[00:09:56] I don't know.

[00:09:57] But one thing that always stays the same.

[00:09:59] There is always plenty of rage to go around.

[00:10:01] So why don't we go ahead and jump into our favorite segment here?

[00:10:06] Let's Rage and because I've got something that I think we've all experienced lately if you've been questing and it just blows my mind.

[00:10:15] So let's get into it.

[00:10:25] So if you've gone all the way through the patch 10 point to questing up to this point,

[00:10:31] you have witnessed all the big hullabaloo and to do at a marriage or so.

[00:10:36] You've you've killed Barack maybe once, maybe twice, maybe many times, maybe you've gotten your fear a lot.

[00:10:43] Maybe you're still working on it.

[00:10:45] You've seen the, you know, whole hoopla with the night elves and you know, we're reclaiming this land and it's all well and good and this and that.

[00:10:53] And now we're going to have a big party, right?

[00:10:55] There was a big party mentioned on our previous episode that there were some very interesting conversations happening between some of the people standing around.

[00:11:05] But I'm going to be honest when I talked about it, I hadn't actually played through it yet.

[00:11:11] And so I didn't quite grasp the full situation that was at hand because as I'm going through it, what kind of questing am I doing?

[00:11:22] Am I, I don't know. Am I am I helping to physically rebuild something like a structure?

[00:11:28] No, am I am I putting out fire somewhere? No, am I helping to defeat some other giant baddie that came swooping through with the last minute?

[00:11:36] No, I am waiting tables.

[00:11:39] I am a God killer. We are God killers.

[00:11:43] We have been to hell and back quite literally thinking of all the things that we've done in World of Warcraft.

[00:11:49] And here I am taking a drink order from Caligos to Katgar.

[00:11:55] I mean, did they kill Farak? No, I believe it was my sword that was being thrusted and I know it was yours too.

[00:12:04] But here we are waiting table now now clearing out the spriggins.

[00:12:09] That's OK. That's a bouncer's job and as a warrior, I am plenty happy to bounce some spriggins head off of my plate.

[00:12:16] No problem. I'm picking up plates and drinks.

[00:12:20] Now it is a bit elitist, but I do think it is below a God killing, world saving, universe altering character and player that we have been.

[00:12:30] Jez, am I crazy? Am I being elitist or is there a legitimate beef here?

[00:12:37] Listen man, listen right. We might be God killers right?

[00:12:41] But also World of Warcraft has a broad political layer to it right?

[00:12:46] So it's not so much you wait in tables and serving drinks.

[00:12:51] You are conducting in political diplomacy with other nations, especially if you're a horde player right?

[00:13:00] Because this is the tree we burned down technically and there's still a lot of distrust about us.

[00:13:08] So when I was doing this as my goblin, I was kind of like, yeah, so I'm sort of sneaking in maybe listening over here in some alliance conversations.

[00:13:19] Doing a little bit of soft espionage. I call it soft power right?

[00:13:25] Wait a minute. Are you a horde main?

[00:13:28] Yes, of course.

[00:13:30] What have I done? What have I done? What have I brought on this show? Oh my God!

[00:13:36] Oh no, not only have we united the east and the west, not only have we brought together Microsoft and Blizzard, oh my God now there's a horde co-host on this show.

[00:13:47] Jesus, what have I done?

[00:13:48] Did you not know this?

[00:13:49] No, no, what have I done? Where is my bedding?

[00:13:52] I'm a goblin man bro.

[00:13:54] No!

[00:13:56] I think that's why in context, I was kind of like, I don't mind this. I'm also a warlock so I'm like a goblin warlock and I wasn't thinking like, I should be fighting a demon or whatever.

[00:14:07] I was thinking like I'm gonna do a little sneaky little perusing of these, case the joint, you know? What are these alliance dogs up to?

[00:14:17] Are they his friendlies? Are they make out? Are we really cool?

[00:14:21] Yes, we are the coolest.

[00:14:24] For when we burn down this tree as well.

[00:14:26] God damn it.

[00:14:28] It was coming.

[00:14:30] Well there you have it folks, maybe it is a little low on the scale of saving the planet but perhaps a little bit of diplomacy, especially in this day and age can go a long way so maybe I've seen the light.

[00:14:48] Alright, well with that my new horde companion and I are going to dive through the 2024 world of warcraft road map so why don't we go ahead and jump into our news.

[00:15:03] So as Blizzard is wont to do, right after I left for my winter break took a month off, really you only missed one show.

[00:15:21] Literally as that one is being dropped they were like, oh you know what's good? Let's put the 2024 roadmap out.

[00:15:29] So as is I think the, you know, one of the commandments for this show is you shall pretty much hear the newest news last on here.

[00:15:39] This one is a little bit old. People have had a chance to kind of mold the 2024 roadmap over a little bit but haven't done it on this show.

[00:15:46] God knows we haven't done it here as the new Berserker jazz duo superpower.

[00:15:53] So we're going to go through it by bit kind of tease out what we think is coming.

[00:16:00] What's good was bad and different whatever and it's going to start right away with patch 10.2.5 seeds of renewal which when this episode drops Monday the 15th it'll be done next day.

[00:16:14] January the 16th so we're already plowing through into the new year and getting new content.

[00:16:21] So as we look into patch 10.2.5 seeds of renewal we have several large items of importance but for you jazz to kick it off is there one particular aspect of this, I don't know, half sub patch whatever we call these things.

[00:16:40] Maybe you can come up with a better term for it than I. Is there one particular aspect of it that you're most excited about or jumps out to you the most?

[00:16:48] I was thinking like isn't a mini patch but really these mini mini patches have got quite a decent amount of content in these days.

[00:16:56] Yeah.

[00:16:57] Like Dragonfly has been really content heavy compared to at least what I remember or at least maybe I'm misremembering but like I think like in Shadowlands and even Battle for Azeroth like I felt like there were long periods where there was a lot of time.

[00:17:10] There was at least nothing I was in that interested in doing.

[00:17:13] Yeah.

[00:17:14] I suppose like with warfronts I mean with Battle for Azeroth they kind of kick themselves in the nuts is that that's not the right expression.

[00:17:23] I was going to shoot themselves in the foot kick themselves in the nuts.

[00:17:26] Where did I get that from?

[00:17:28] Where did that come from?

[00:17:29] I like that.

[00:17:30] I like that.

[00:17:31] I'd love to see somebody do that too.

[00:17:33] That's a hell of a move.

[00:17:35] I was like kick themselves way.

[00:17:38] What?

[00:17:39] And then I was like what do you kick?

[00:17:40] You kick nuts?

[00:17:41] It's later guys like bear with me.

[00:17:44] You can heal right to the balls.

[00:17:46] Oh god that hurt.

[00:17:49] But yeah in this mini patch or mid season patch or whatever you want to call it.

[00:17:55] I think like the bit of it that I'm most interested in is probably the retaking for Gil.

[00:18:01] Retaking of Gilneas.

[00:18:02] There it is.

[00:18:03] The reason for that being is kind of what I said earlier is like how are they going to play this off because when I was leveling and undead through capitalism in Silver Pine Forest and into Gilneas it was pretty much the war between the Horneleides was full on and the Forsaken were there resurrecting dead aligns players or NPCs whatever

[00:18:30] and spreading blight everywhere.

[00:18:32] And there was this quest in Hillsbrad where you smash farmer's heads with a shovel and all this kind of like really grim stuff man.

[00:18:41] They went hard in Cacosm.

[00:18:43] They were like we're going hard and we go dark for Cacosm and Cacosm had some really dark quests especially for Forsaken and especially at the expense of Gilneas often was the case.

[00:18:55] So I'm sitting there thinking like how are they going to play this off because I think one of the things that Blizzard's been really criticised for across Shadowlands especially was like the sort of almost sweeping under the rug of the burning of the tree a little bit.

[00:19:11] It's kind of like would people really be willing to turn your cheek this quickly?

[00:19:17] Would people really be cool with the horn this quickly?

[00:19:21] And I kind of like look at real life allegories to this and like you know and I know it's not real life and video games have to operate in different timelines and stuff but I kind of feel like that if we're talking about lore and story integrity there must be a better way to deliver these kind of heavy topics because what Sylvanas did in Battle for Azeroth and what the Horde did by proxy was very heavy.

[00:19:45] It was very grim and it was mature writing and at the time I was all for it. I was kind of like yeah this is awesome, it's World of Warcraft as a Horde player I suppose. I was like yeah burn that tree.

[00:20:00] You know and I thought he was badass personally but it was a big move and it got a lot of people hyped about wow again and like friends were asking about it. It's like oh my god they burned down the tree and then the whole the cinematics with the attack on the under city with Anduin and Sylvanas and Selafang.

[00:20:19] I loved all of that right? But I suppose where it starts to fall apart is in the aftermath of that because all the characters be having such an unnatural way in an unnaturally forgiving kind of way.

[00:20:31] So I'm like now with Chris Metton back on board and I kind of feel like Blizzard's trying to walk some of this stuff back because it's kind of like we went too far or something.

[00:20:42] I don't know what their thought process is but I'm really intrigued to see how they deliver that story and will it seem hamfisted, will it be cheesy, is it going to be disneyfied where it's like oh we all love each other now.

[00:20:54] You know and because like Gengarai was one of the most aggressive characters against the horde and he's lost so much, he's lost his kingdom, he's lost family and it's kind of like are we really going to try and make sense of Gens characters switching up so quickly and stuff.

[00:21:19] And I know there's a good gameplay impetus for ending the war between the horde and the lion so the lion and the horde players can play together as the population of the game shrinks.

[00:21:30] I think like Orishronk over time, I think having these sort of arbitrary barriers to playing with your friends makes less and less sense from a business and a gameplay perspective.

[00:21:42] But I kind of feel like there's a better way to handle that gameplay element within the story.

[00:21:48] So I'm intrigued to see where they take it and that's personally what I'm looking forward to most but what are you looking forward to most?

[00:21:54] I'm with you lockstep on that. That is such a compelling situation and has been for a long time because certainly as an alliance player where I go back to kind of the history of Lordaeron where what an amazing capital city,

[00:22:20] I mean under city I think is cool in its own right but just Lordaeron the history of that area. I'm a huge, I mean look at the ship behind me.

[00:22:27] I'm a huge Lich King Mark like I love all of that stuff and so you know as an alliance player not having access to that unless I want to get my ass handed to me.

[00:22:37] It's a little sad sometimes and then you look at Gilneas where when that was introduced in Cataclysm,

[00:22:45] I remember playing through it doing the Worgen starting zone stuff and it's just like, God Jesus what a beautiful city and like what a compelling area this is.

[00:22:54] Like let's do something with this. Let's use this. Let's make this more habitable in some way and it's just been this kind of cast off dead area that yeah you use it for certain things but like that could be a really cool vibrant situation going on over there

[00:23:10] just from like a gameplay perspective having it as a port or having it as a place the players can do stuff in so from like that perspective alone I've always wanted to be able to do something with Gilneas or more of something with it as time is going on.

[00:23:24] But the again aspect, more than anyone you're I mean nail on the head has been for the alliance side, fuck the horde we're not doing anything with them, kill every bastard we see like we got to push them.

[00:23:39] We got to push, we got to go. Don't trust them. Don't make peace. Don't do anything and he's been in the center of these moments where like stuff is going bad.

[00:23:47] He's like no see look they're bad. They're terrible. Like we can't do anything with this and so to resolve that to a degree to find out you know you get your I assume it's the reclamation of Gilneas I assume they'll get it back.

[00:24:02] I've looked at no data mining. I try not to look at any of that so I think some people might know some things. I don't nothing.

[00:24:10] But to get that back to see that journey continue especially knowing that and when we'll be back in the fold before too long and the relationship between the two of them was always so close.

[00:24:24] And so where might that interplay come in later down the road of again is I don't know pacified to some degree although I don't know that I want to see a pacified game I like him be an all wargony badass and just running around ripping shit up.

[00:24:38] That's fun.

[00:24:40] But what that play is going to look like how that storyline is going to unfold I think will be.

[00:24:46] You're right a good litmus test of where we might be right now as we continue to transition into later dragon flight and then early war within you know what what is that kind of storytelling that we're going to have where it has had trouble at many points balancing

[00:25:06] nuance versus smash you over the head with something with you know trying to be a little more political or a little less political you know they're they're always trying to kind of find these little spaces and for a lot of players this is a big one because

[00:25:20] and I know it's been talked about all over the place but the way that the new night elf city is being handled people are pissed they're not happy about it and so again it's kind of like another one of these opportunities of well are people going to feel good about this they

[00:25:39] not I don't know how that plays out I think it's going to be very very interesting it's good first thing I'm going to dive into if I can along with but I also think it's going to be for me for people like me who don't like other people I mean for people like me who

[00:25:55] don't play too many dungeons the the follower dungeons are going to be so welcome in my opinion because I'll be honest there's still some dungeons in this expansion I still haven't seen because I purposely avoided them and I don't want to deal with it

[00:26:10] and I just wanted to my own stuff so to get the chance to go back and kind of see that stuff or to be able to you know farm for things or do that kind of thing on my own without having to worry about other groups

[00:26:21] I love this AI tech I love that they're working on it and that they're trying to kind of progress it will it get to the size of a raid I don't know but let's start it with a handful of dungeons and see what that looks like so I'm

[00:26:35] I'm pretty pumped about that one too I think that that's that's a game changer

[00:26:40] I think that would be really huge I think like the similar features in Final Fantasy 14 which has been like really popular with a more casual audience and I don't think it's like it doesn't take anything away from the more hardcore experience of it

[00:26:53] I don't think you're going to be running Mythic plus 20 or higher with AI followers anytime soon but like if you are like I could totally see like a mythic myth just the base mythic maybe or like maybe up to like a plus five or something

[00:27:09] I can totally see that being a viable option like even if it's not like like a full group and maybe it's like you can fill in I don't know like a healer slot or a tank slot or something something that often is takes a long time to queue

[00:27:24] if you if you're playing a DPS class and you want to play solo it's really hard to get a group unless you've got a guild or you've got a pocket healer or a pocket tank and stuff like that

[00:27:34] there's one reason why even though I play you know quite hardcore you know at least towards as head of the curve you know Keystone Master you're so hardcore

[00:27:45] yeah like hardcore like you know like I'm not pushing mythic raiding or anything but like I probably play more than most people would want to play a game like this

[00:27:58] and also I'm privileged position where it's like my job kind of interweaves with having an excuse to play a lot of games I guess much to the chagrin of my girlfriend but

[00:28:08] you do have that advantage that is true yeah a little bit yeah so like if it's if it's me and but even me as someone who does play a lot whenever I make an alt I always make it a healer or I make a tank because it's like I don't have time to find a group as a DPS player

[00:28:27] as like a solo player or whatever as you know because it's really hard I think to find a group as DPS because it's just way more DPS so it's like I'm going to make an alt I want to I want to get I want to do things quick which means I'll either tank or I'll either heal to get those groups

[00:28:42] quickly so this follow-up stuff could be a great way to mitigate some of those issues and yeah I mean I just I this is kind of like the kind of tech that I think we'll see more and more of from a lot of different games as like

[00:28:57] some of these like new like these new AI models that they're developing for you know chat GBT and graphics and stuff like that this is where it can really have a positive impact on gaming without necessarily detracting from jobs or you know

[00:29:13] or you know costing extra dev money that maybe could go elsewhere you know if if like a language model can you know program and analyze the data of players and then produce something that's at least approaching a player experience I think that would be really cool

[00:29:32] we'll see where it goes well and to that point of creating something new or trying something new for the other positions as well like if you're a new tank or you want to try tanking I mean what better environment to learn that in when you don't have to worry about people dumping you or voting you out

[00:29:48] or yelling at you or whatever it is you know learning tanking or healing you're able to go in grab a few of these AI dungeon followers and work your way through it and learn how to do these things without having that kind of anxiety I guess because I know for me as a warrior

[00:30:03] as a warrior I think it's expected that we have some sort of off spec tank situation going on I dare not touch it in public there is no way I'm fury to the bone forever anyway but I think if there was an opportunity to kind of play in that sandbox a little bit like this

[00:30:21] it does open up some new avenues that could be kind of fun as you get a chance to see a few more things that maybe didn't see before looking looking through the rest of the list here

[00:30:33] another big thing and I mentioned it before is the introduction of the I'm gonna say the Bellameth is the arms of the goddess it's the new night elf city essentially and it's gonna be fully explorable at this point

[00:30:50] you'll see some of your favorite folks in there like Jared shadow song who if you've read the books you'll know a lot more about them but this is the this is the spot this is the new night elf capital city this is this is where people are getting all been out of shape because it's not part of

[00:31:07] the main land Azeroth this is this is out in the dragon isles I've said it before and I'll stick by what I said I don't have a problem with this I'm not a night elf main so it doesn't affect me as much I think it's a cool looking place it has all of the

[00:31:22] you know Emerald dreamy vibes and all the cool stuff I liked about tell Drissel

[00:31:26] in that sort of way of that that kind of a feeling I don't know maybe is a maybe is a horde main do you have a do you have a different sort of lens on on this place do you think that the night of players have something

[00:31:38] fair to complain about here

[00:31:43] well I kind of get where they're coming from where like if you are someone who's like an og night elf player and the fact that it's not in that sort of nostalgic homeland of Donacus and Darkshore

[00:31:54] and stuff like that I kind of get it and also like some of the you know the the lore implications and whatever and I suppose being disconnected from the the mainland has a sort of psychological aspect to it but like what

[00:32:10] I'm kind of this is the kind of trend that I'm sort of this is my head cannon about where Blizzard is glowing and this isn't based on anything I know but like I kind of I kind of get the impression that Blizzard is systematically going through and revamping each starting area so

[00:32:26] like they're revamped they're revamped Balomet and that whole Emerald Dream Island that could be a starting zone for a new night of player now and the next the next expansion they're doing the not after not more within the one after that

[00:32:41] they're doing the northern yeah midnight they're doing the northern side of the Eastern Kingdoms so that's like potentially that could be a new starting zone from dead a new starting zone for blood elves and then maybe some other race could like come in there as well

[00:32:55] I mean if they if they're gonna go as far south as Twilight Highlands I don't know that could they could do they could do Dwarfs too maybe there'll be a patch where it'd be like reclining Nomragan because it's you know that's sort of central

[00:33:07] Eastern Kingdoms ish so maybe they're just systematically work their way down and sort of revamp every starting zone for each race because one of the one of the big issues I think Blizzard has was on with onboarding right now

[00:33:19] onboarding new players is that Exiles reach it's just lame you know it's it doesn't it's just lame it doesn't it doesn't give you the connection to your your character fantasy the old school starting areas did like if I'm playing undead I get that fantasy

[00:33:35] of being in this undead area to dark and spooking scary come right up out on the coffin yeah exactly you get you don't get any of that with Exiles reach you just get these lame sort of weak boring quest and not none of which are even relevant to

[00:33:49] today's storyline so I really think like with with when they're stuck when there are systematically revamping some of these areas they're doing it because they are create they are going to move towards creating a new player starting zones out of them

[00:34:03] and it's something I constantly when I do speak to people at Blizzard in the past in interviews and stuff I've constantly hammered this point on it's like I tried to onboard friends into this game

[00:34:13] and I can't do it with Exiles reach because Exiles reach is lame and like and then and they say well play characters I'm like but that's lame too because the story so outdated you start seeing garage hell scream

[00:34:25] and stuff like that and it just none of it makes sense so I think like turning those areas into evergreen areas with like low stakes threats with with characters that are localized and aren't necessarily like a hell scream or a

[00:34:39] sovannas or something like that something that's gonna sort of survive long term I think that's part of why they're doing this so I think like well while right now just around it off like if people are annoyed about Balometh right now

[00:34:52] and I have players and stuff I think it will make more sense down the line with what they're doing it because you gotta think why else would they be revamping this zone you know if people don't idle in Darnassus they don't idle in any of the main city

[00:35:08] hubs they idle where there's an auction house you know so the fact that they've revamped this entire zone and also made it an instance says to me that this is gonna become a starting zone kind of like Exiles reach what is and was for evokers

[00:35:23] so we'll see what happens that's my head counting anyway there it is we'll see if my predictions come true in a few years and we can revisit this episode talk about it

[00:35:33] you're touching on something that a lot of players have talked about over the years which is a revamp of the old world and it's something that every time we get to an expansion cycle and announcement or whatever people like oh it's wow 2.0 wow this you know we're gonna revamp this and that

[00:35:49] and it does feel like as they announce the world soul saga kind of to your point is it is a bit of a piecemeal approach instead instead of like this overarching let's just you know do the whole you know all of eastern kingdoms all of Kalimdor that they're taking what we're gonna do this section

[00:36:07] or we're gonna do this area here or like we're gonna do Northrend in some capacity or whatever that is like I'm fine with that I think that's that's a great way to go about it because Lord knows the resources to redo any of these areas or to do new versions of these areas

[00:36:23] of these areas have got to be very intense and so I tell you I tell you something right the reason that one of the reasons I came at this conclusion and this is this is kind of like in solid information or whatever I spoke to someone at Blizzard

[00:36:37] a long about a year well actually I have no concept of time anymore since the pandemic so this is like a year or two ago something like that it was fairly recently ish when you just said to me the first time we podcast with 2022 I was like what really I know it was this year

[00:36:55] I thought we'd done two podcasts this year so I have no concept of time anymore but fairly recently like when I was you know complaining to someone at Blizzard about the whole XRs racing and I was like what we need is another cataclysm style revamp with low stakes threats something that could be evergreen content and you know you don't have to worry about

[00:37:15] necessarily doing a full blown story revamp on that stuff because you haven't used major characters in those areas like that can always be a random centaur villain in the barons or there can always be a random random side quest that isn't so

[00:37:30] you know isn't such a incumbent on the wider plot so it could be evergreen right and they said to me we're doing something more than a cataclysm revamp to address this so and I was like what wow too and they were like no so like I was thinking like well what could be more than a full revamp and I was thinking like maybe they just the next few expansions they're

[00:37:54] just going to work through each area and up level them you know in the sort of same way that you can consider the Emerald Dream and that whole area couldn't be considered a revamped version of Donassus and that whole area because that was all a contained area before right off the coast of Darkshore so like this is what I'm imagining now is that like every starting area will get a Balometh style

[00:38:21] revamp maybe Gilneas will give us a glimpse of what that could potentially look like but we'll see

[00:38:28] yeah it's clear that they've got something along those lines planned out and they feel comfortable enough to share those ideas with us already because to your point when I got to get in on that group interview at BlizzCon that was something that they talked about was these revamping of these areas and that they will probably be larger than what we're used to

[00:38:51] and so it's the same thing but it's got like a little bit more in it or a little more on it a little shine on it what I can't remember exactly what they said or how they worded it but I for one would take any part of Northrend again in a more form like you want to give me more of a zone sure I will take that I mean well boring in Tundra maybe but maybe that might be possible

[00:39:12] I can't help but wonder if like in the same way that Dragonflight has become the starting zone for invokers and potentially night elves if I'm correct I could be completely off base it but I'm wondering like maybe if like you know the war within some of the new zones there

[00:39:27] maybe some of those areas could be some new starting zones for some of the existing races you know I could see like I could see them doing you know something for Nightborne as well in that area and or maybe the allied races don't necessarily get a full blown revamp I don't know but like Northrend you could easily see like maybe some races that don't have a home right now maybe they you know they move to Northrend or something you know I want to believe that Northrend we could also do that

[00:39:57] and also get new races too like people have been talking about Freikulf Rages man there's just so much stuff to be excited about right now the fact that they've given us this roadmap

[00:40:05] I was going to say this is all just a long con to get us the Freikul that's just

[00:40:09] I hope so

[00:40:10] oh man I would I would race change just to then unrace change and then do it again just like have the players doing it twice

[00:40:18] so with 10 to five we have Gilneas we have the follower dungeons we have these this epilogue that's coming in and Bellamoth is going to be part of that

[00:40:29] we also have one of the other big features dragon riding available worldwide and

[00:40:36] I don't know I think this is this the hit of this expansion dragon race is like the

[00:40:43] I mean it's been what do we have that even compares to the impact that this addition has had to the game from an expansion I mean this is

[00:40:50] dragon riding has been incredible like oh when you do is it tindra I think it's tindra the boss in the current raid where

[00:40:59] yeah you have to pick up a feather and go dragon riding I was I was like I was instantly thinking of the nexus the old the old Northrend

[00:41:07] where they were like we're gonna we're gonna put some you know flying here on dragons and it was like it was like this is what they wanted to do back then

[00:41:17] and now 15 years later or wherever it is they've achieved what they were going to do and I think like that it's also typifies what Blizzard said

[00:41:27] like we want to make more evergreen systems to the game we want to add to the game rather than do these borrowed borrowed power things every expansion

[00:41:35] which are all like transitory things like the warfronts and the island expeditions and now we've got dragon riding the professions revamp which I think has had a

[00:41:45] you know I think professions could still do some more work but that's had a pretty big impact on the game too and there's a

[00:41:53] I can't remember if this was datamined or if they actually said this out right blizzcon but they want to bring sort of more involved riding to ground mounts as well

[00:42:03] I think I saw at some point like stamina stamina for your ground mounts too I don't remember that I can't remember if it was like a slide at blizzcon or datamined

[00:42:15] that's coming too so they're going to do that kind of pass on ground mounts as well

[00:42:19] but I think it makes the game feel so much more tactile and more involved when you travel from place to place I really love it I love that feature

[00:42:26] I can't wait to fly my time lost proto drake dragon riding style from here to eternity

[00:42:33] I mean it just and I know that they said that they're going to be working on adding mounts over time with the intention to have

[00:42:39] you know the vast majority of flying mounts that can do it because they do need new animations

[00:42:44] it is a whole different you know I'm thinking of you know the old kind of static animations we have with some of the older mounts

[00:42:49] and then you look at the very dynamic dragon riding animations where they're twirling and spinning and they're doing all this stuff

[00:42:56] and like I don't think the original griffin I bought 15 years ago can do any of that just yet

[00:43:03] but I'm looking forward to it I'm so glad that that has worked out and I remember all the way back

[00:43:10] when we first got a look at this in the early you know an alpha or beta testing and anyone of us got our hands on

[00:43:18] like this is it this is this is the jam people have to see this this is going to be a game changer and

[00:43:26] probably the only thing I've ever guessed right that early in the development cycle but

[00:43:33] outside of these fine additions we have another public event do you do these public events this one's going to be the

[00:43:43] Azerothian archives where there's going to be some you know various aspects to this including I want to say yeah

[00:43:51] excavation techno scrying which sounds pretty exciting and if it doesn't involve daft punk may not be there

[00:43:59] and other research I got to read I don't know about that as a Rothen archives or public events in general

[00:44:06] those do anything for you I mean kind yes and no I mean I had a look over the rewards the mounts and stuff

[00:44:16] I that I'll do stuff for cool mounts and stuff but the Azerothian archives rewards don't seem that super cool

[00:44:24] I guess I mean these events are usually great for rapidly giving up mounts because they're usually come with a

[00:44:30] with a with a box at the end that has a random piece of gear in right or like they useful if you're doing

[00:44:36] you know rep grinding or you know the weekly where it's like get so much rep or whatever and do do one of the

[00:44:44] events activity so usually I do it for that reason I thought like time walking had way more rewards that I was

[00:44:50] interested in getting but this has a rothen stuff's not that compelling to me I don't know if you feel different

[00:44:57] yeah it's to your to your point it has to be some hook at the end that's got to be pretty good amount that I've

[00:45:04] really got to have or some piece of transmog wrong like oh that that is the jam somebody really went you know

[00:45:09] the extra mile with that or this and that I've barely touched the public events and that's maybe for reflection

[00:45:18] on my own game time and I get why they're doing it and I think you're right on a lot of it has to do like

[00:45:25] ketchup stuff you see the gear you're like alright jump in get some ketchup here but yeah I'm curious

[00:45:32] to see how this one pairs because I know at least in Zerlech cabin they're like yeah we recognize that this

[00:45:39] one's not going very well we're gonna try to do something different to get more people involved and

[00:45:43] they had I don't know super bloom and some other stuff going on and tend to and people seem to think

[00:45:50] it's okay but I don't hear anybody raving about it but maybe that's its place maybe it's not supposed

[00:45:56] to be some earth shattering event it's just some more content to do that's kind of fun and kill some

[00:46:02] time get some rewards and maybe it's the raider in me it's always got to be either the world is ending

[00:46:09] or I'm saving it like I need high stakes I think that's my problem it has to be high so in a nutshell

[00:46:18] that's what we're looking at coming this week the dragon out epilogue's reclamation of Gilneas

[00:46:23] dragon riding worldwide follower dungeons Azerothian archives there's also going to be Outland Cup

[00:46:29] so you're gonna do some dragon riding out there not necessarily World of Warcraft related but in the

[00:46:37] Warcraft family there is a Hearthstone anniversary event on the calendar I don't touch it but to all

[00:46:47] of you who play Hearthstone have fun I played a bit of Hearthstone in my day yeah and then I did like

[00:46:53] I did like a couple of seasons and got like some some of the cool rewards out of it and then I was

[00:46:59] just like I can't I can't grind this every season you know and it can get really expensive they're

[00:47:06] quite generous with the card packs they give you and stuff and I will say if you want to play

[00:47:11] Hearthstone like Hearthstone Battlegrounds is really really fun and it doesn't require it doesn't

[00:47:18] generally require buying loads of card packs and stuff because you can't choose the cards it

[00:47:23] like gives you random cards and it's like this auto-battle kind of thing so you set up your

[00:47:28] strategy and stuff. Hearthstone Battlegrounds is really really cool but I want a couple of

[00:47:33] games of that and I was like okay I'm done with this game now. I have heard that the battle

[00:47:38] grounds are the way to go. I think the homie Rommel gave me the 4-1-1 on that and I might

[00:47:45] have tried a little bit if I recall at maybe a Blizzcon but so that's what we've got coming

[00:47:54] this week and then after that it starts to get a little more nebulous especially with

[00:48:00] the first item that we have listed on our roadmap which is just 10-2-6 and a Skull

[00:48:06] and Crossbones over a Black Flag. And as I go through this roadmap I'm kind of looking

[00:48:14] essentially at I feel like each one of these is kind of representing a month so where Seeds

[00:48:19] of Renewal January 10-2-6 to me I'm going to guess this is looking in the next month.

[00:48:26] Is this the pirate themed expedition that everybody was pinning their expansion hopes

[00:48:32] on? Are we going somewhere and looting the booty or is there going to be some other death?

[00:48:40] I mean what does the Skull and Crossbones mean?

[00:48:44] It's definitely pirates I think. The Skull and Crossbones on a matte black background to

[00:48:51] me says pirate flag. But well Warcraft has a pirate state but it's on the 19th of September.

[00:49:00] I was going to say we already had that a few months ago.

[00:49:03] Yeah so my first thought was oh it's pirate state but then I looked at the canada and

[00:49:07] I was like hang on that's not pirate state at all. So yeah I have no clue. No clue whatsoever

[00:49:16] you know maybe I don't know maybe they'll revamp Booty Bay and turn it into the Goblin

[00:49:24] starting area. You know what you might be honest something with this whole starting zone business.

[00:49:33] Yeah maybe I mean Strangathon Vale fits the bill for you know Kezan got as we all know

[00:49:42] got blown up by Deathwing which is way far back in the storyline at this point. So

[00:49:49] players knew Goblin players would be like oh yeah Kezan this is cool wait who's that

[00:49:53] dragon oh the dragon's gone now what's going on you know. So I think Strangathon Vale

[00:49:59] yeah I mean that's my dream my dream would be Booty Bay revamped as the Goblin starting

[00:50:04] area with Strangathon Vale becoming the the leveling area up to like level 40 or something.

[00:50:11] That is a hell of a dart to throw I love it. That's a big old dart thrown there.

[00:50:16] That's a big dart to throw yeah I know that people are super excited about the pirate stuff

[00:50:23] front of the show. Allie she she's like I believe one of these people that I think if she could

[00:50:31] be a pirate she would be like you know I don't think you'd want to actually be a pirate in

[00:50:35] real life because I've seen the pirates in real life and that shit was not good and

[00:50:38] it currently is not good depending on where in the world you are but a fantasy pirate

[00:50:42] where you're wearing the hat and you got this ship and you're doing the thing and you're

[00:50:46] singing sea shanties and maybe that's where we're going. We're gonna we're gonna get our

[00:50:50] own pirate ship we're gonna sail it around the world and go into these many ports and

[00:50:54] we'll collect treasure and a rowdy band of God knows what and whatever it is they

[00:51:02] love teasing it they love throwing this tease out because everybody's putting eyeballs

[00:51:07] on what I don't know they're being very cheeky so I appreciate that we have a little

[00:51:14] bit of mystery there so I'm gonna I'm gonna throw my own dart and say I think this is

[00:51:19] probably coming in the next month and I'm gonna say we're gonna get our own pirate

[00:51:24] ship why not fucking we're gonna get our own ship we're gonna sail the seven seas

[00:51:28] of Azeroth then war within alpha I mean we know what the war within is the war

[00:51:35] within alpha my guess is again probably if they're saying between winter and spring

[00:51:41] I'm gonna say March the war in March maybe late February somewhere in there

[00:51:46] again I expect I expect that you sir would get into the war within alpha I

[00:51:54] think I'm again I think kind of I'll be lucky if I get in I did get in on the

[00:51:59] last alpha but it's interesting to me that they're already putting that stake

[00:52:07] in the ground and saying you know because we're gonna get to it is here's where the

[00:52:11] alpha we think is here's where the beta is we think here's when the expansion is

[00:52:15] like it really doesn't leave them a lot of room I guess you know there's some

[00:52:23] wiggle room because there's no dates but do you think that there is I think

[00:52:27] that they're risking too much by putting that flag out there already and saying

[00:52:31] maybe February March is according to this we're looking at an alpha should they

[00:52:36] should they not have said anything do you think it's good that they're putting

[00:52:39] that stuff out already I mean they've been pretty on form with hitting all of these

[00:52:46] deadlines I know that recently since Shadowlands they revamped the way the

[00:52:54] team structured so like mm-hmm I mean they've they've always tried to do it this

[00:52:58] way but they've really invested in sort of executing on the plot the idea of

[00:53:03] developing patches and expansions in parallel right there's always like a

[00:53:07] constant hose fire of content coming to the game I wonder how I wonder like to

[00:53:11] what extent that's affected the World Warcraft profitability and margin

[00:53:15] as like I'm sure I saw recently that World Warcraft remains one of the most

[00:53:19] profitable games in the world and because you know when you when you've got

[00:53:25] people who just just a pot permanently subscribed forever you can make you can

[00:53:30] make me yeah that's me too you know you can make you can make good assumptions

[00:53:35] about what your cash flow is going to be like and then prioritize your

[00:53:39] your investments you know really well you know and that's why Microsoft's

[00:53:44] loves game pass and subscription services stuff because it's guaranteed cash

[00:53:48] flow right so I think I think like if they are the confident enough to be

[00:53:54] putting out these these these dates of all this lot this window I suppose they're

[00:53:58] not like hard dates like a window like a landing strip they've hit them all so

[00:54:03] far yeah so I think it's it's it's a really good thing you know and and

[00:54:08] this is like in a in a world where we've seen a lot of service games miss

[00:54:12] these targets like quite famously Destiny's next expansion has been delayed

[00:54:17] months and months and months you know which is like and well World Warcraft's

[00:54:23] had delayed delays in the past they probably will in the future as well but

[00:54:26] like I think like the trans I'm loving the transparency man I really am so I

[00:54:30] keep doing it yeah it's again a dragonflight era maybe that's the

[00:54:37] behind dragon writing itself it's the transparency and these roadmaps and

[00:54:41] all the stuff that we've seen that's come out of this era has been

[00:54:43] wonderful and that leads us into season four because we are going to have a

[00:54:48] season four as some people had speculated and it is looking like that

[00:54:54] faded season like we had back in Shadowlands where we're revisiting the

[00:54:58] old raids and they're gonna change some things up and add some new stuff

[00:55:01] right now in fact I believe the voting is still open where you can

[00:55:08] vote for which of the tier set bonuses your class is going to get your spec

[00:55:14] is going to get for season four and also I believe which transmog or which

[00:55:21] sets appearance they're going to use for the armor set for season four

[00:55:28] have you voted yet do you think this is a good way to go about this

[00:55:33] should they have come up with something different to keep you engaged I mean I

[00:55:38] would personally like I hope that they at least do a new tint or something you

[00:55:44] know I mean it's not hard to color swap some assets yeah I wouldn't have thought

[00:55:51] but I mean it's an interesting experiment I'm glad that they are

[00:55:55] experimenting I guess I would have preferred I would have preferred a

[00:55:58] new tier set of course but yeah you know this is kind of like the the epilogue

[00:56:02] kind of season and I'm not even sure if like I'm personally not even sure if

[00:56:07] I'm gonna stick around I might like try and hit my backlog during this season

[00:56:11] my backlog across like Xbox and PC is just ridiculous I still haven't

[00:56:16] finished Baldur Gate I still haven't finished you know Alan Wake 2 and

[00:56:22] all these kind of games that came out last year like Lies of Pea,

[00:56:25] War Long, Fallen Dynasty like so many games I wanted to play that I just never got

[00:56:29] around to because because of World of Warcraft because of Diablo because of

[00:56:33] Overwatch I just put Overwatch's Bar pass as well I'm just saying

[00:56:38] why am I doing this to myself I just finished Diablo season 2 season journey

[00:56:43] last week and it's like I don't have time for all this stuff Blizzard but

[00:56:48] I do it anyway because I'm an addict you're clearing the deck so you can

[00:56:53] just play more Cyberpunk like me.

[00:56:56] I haven't finished the Cyberpunk DLC either and I was really excited about it.

[00:57:00] Panda Liberty baby!

[00:57:02] I haven't finished it, I haven't finished it but um

[00:57:05] ah man I can't remember what we were really talking about.

[00:57:08] The point that you're making though is a good one because it is that lull

[00:57:13] where they have to think about people are gonna bail out subscriptions may dip

[00:57:17] or play time may dip because that main campaign is over their main raids are out

[00:57:24] and now people are gonna split off so they can finish Alan Wake too

[00:57:28] or finish you know Baldur's Gate or finish you know whatever other games they have

[00:57:32] or just take a break from gaming altogether because I know plenty of people

[00:57:35] that do that too.

[00:57:36] And so this sort of experiment that they seem to have landed on coming out of Shadowlands

[00:57:40] to say alright well it's the stuff that you know but it's not the way that you know it.

[00:57:45] You can try it in a different way and I know for myself I was a little disappointed that

[00:57:51] I appreciate the attempt to let us vote for the bonus that the tier set is gonna have or whatever

[00:57:58] but I didn't like any of mine as a fury warrior I thought all three of mine were underwhelming

[00:58:04] um maybe I'm expecting too much but I don't know I was looking for something a little more exciting

[00:58:12] and something maybe a little more game play changing I don't know something

[00:58:18] but none of them really hit the groove for me this expansion so I was hoping for something

[00:58:23] a little bit more but if anybody's interested I believe the voting is still open for a couple

[00:58:28] more days you can get out there on the forums and vote vote your heart out for whatever

[00:58:32] you like I think there's a separate one it's down I have to think about this with

[00:58:36] our global reach here EU and North America or whatever we have like different ones we have

[00:58:44] different forums that we have to vote on I guess so make sure they vote on the right one I guess

[00:58:49] um season four probably springish I'm thinking maybe April gives us some time to screw around

[00:59:00] and what they've got listed here is dragon flight raids revisited a new PVP season which if you

[00:59:06] are new to the show I don't ever talk about PVP PVP is like a four letter word here and it's probably

[00:59:12] the only one I don't use if you want a PVP related show go listen to technically PVP

[00:59:17] uh part of the bonus role productions group uh and you can listen to garrison all of them

[00:59:21] and they'll talk about PVP new mythic plus season I never do mythic plus either because I'm afraid of

[00:59:26] dungeons because I'm a I don't know I'm a wasp I know that you are a key master so you're

[00:59:34] you're now now we have somebody to hold up that end of the thing on the show so I really

[00:59:38] appreciate you putting in all the hard work uh so we have some representation of the mythic

[00:59:43] plus crew uh on unshackled well dude it's like this season has been like really easy I

[00:59:51] kind of feel like compared to other season I've never I've never hit keystone master

[00:59:55] before I've got keystone hero a few times okay keystone this is the first time I've ever

[00:59:59] hit keystone master and I think because it's been the set bonuses are so powerful this season

[01:00:06] that it's made things a lot smoother for runs and also some of the class changes they've done

[01:00:12] and you can see it reflected in the numbers there's been more mythic plus runs this season

[01:00:18] than there was in season one you know and I haven't seen that for a long time where the

[01:00:25] expansion seems to have been more active over time the less apart that could be like you

[01:00:31] know players were still leveling up in season one maybe or something and maybe there's

[01:00:36] more players max level now in season three and that overall maybe the player base is

[01:00:40] smaller but the step that sort of that community that doesn't think plus has been

[01:00:44] more active than they were in season two and the season one much more active than season

[01:00:48] two like season two was seemed to be quite unpopular like if you look at the graphs after

[01:00:53] the post on Reddit but um but yeah this season been really fun you know I nothing's been

[01:00:59] too crazy hard there hasn't been any dungeons in I mean they've nerfed some of them now

[01:01:04] but no dungeon has stood out has been particularly egregiously ridiculous in terms of tuning

[01:01:11] like and they also threw in some new ones like thrown the tides got revamped a little bit with

[01:01:15] new features and which was nostalgic and cool at the same time.

[01:01:20] Yeah that's an old one.

[01:01:22] Yeah I've loved this season I really have this is probably been my favorite season in

[01:01:26] Wow for a really really long time I think.

[01:01:29] Look at that.

[01:01:30] Look at that.

[01:01:31] I loved it so much you decided to join a podcast.

[01:01:32] My god that is the power of this season alone unbelievable.

[01:01:36] So coming up coming out of season four we have another kind of little mysterious marker

[01:01:42] on the map here patch 10.2.7 they're calling it dark heart that's the title for it and

[01:01:49] the items listed here so looking at spring I don't know late ish spring I'm going to

[01:01:56] guess sometime around May time running pandemonium harbinger quests trolling

[01:02:03] heritage armor those are always fun and a new holiday event.

[01:02:06] Hmm what do you make of this do you think we're going to something something ridiculous

[01:02:13] related to pandaria for time running what is time running what does this look like is

[01:02:18] it does this peak your interest what's got your brain what's got your brain going on

[01:02:21] that one I'm not a huge fan of time walking like personally because I don't I don't

[01:02:28] really you know I'm kind I don't play with a classic either and I'm kind of someone

[01:02:32] who wants new content I want to see fresh content and stuff like that so I generally

[01:02:36] don't do time walking so if he's like a mists themed time walking event I mean

[01:02:41] that's kind of cool a lot of people have a lot of nostalgia for mists and I think

[01:02:46] a lot of people regarded no I mean at the time I remember people complaining a

[01:02:51] lot about mists but like as time goes on like a lot of people leave the game

[01:02:57] permanently you kind of left with people who did enjoy it so now there's

[01:03:01] like a lot of nostalgia and positivity about Mr. Pandare that I didn't really get

[01:03:05] that sense existed back when it came out yeah I remember when they announced it

[01:03:10] my buddy was with me and I was like I said I quit pandas I'm not doing this

[01:03:14] there's no way this is ridiculous and the way that it has survived when you

[01:03:20] ask people to kind of rank you know where do you rank greatest expansions

[01:03:23] of all time it ranks very high and yeah maybe they maybe they want to dump

[01:03:29] us back there to I don't know maybe maybe we'll be racing through the valley

[01:03:35] and you know we'll be pushing like wheelbarrows or something ridiculous I

[01:03:41] don't know whatever it is it's got to be big enough to get a name drop on the

[01:03:46] banner here pandemonium first thing I thought it was Diablo I was like oh

[01:03:52] shit mouth tails back I it's cool in it pandemonium is kind of it's kind of cheesy

[01:04:00] for wow I almost feel like so maybe maybe it's just kind of like throwing us off

[01:04:05] the scent and making us think that it's something to do with pandas but I

[01:04:09] almost feel like well wouldn't do that you know like do something that sort of

[01:04:15] on-the-nose punny yeah I don't know it could be completely wrong maybe it

[01:04:20] maybe it is some kind of I don't know Diablo event you know because I suppose

[01:04:25] it could line up with new Diablo season

[01:04:29] who knows man then we've got everybody's favorite knife who I guess

[01:04:37] Zalatath all over the place we came out of Blizzcon all the fan art was going

[01:04:43] wild everybody loves Zalatath and we're gonna have something called

[01:04:46] harbinger quests which I'm going to assume as something to do with

[01:04:52] the resurgence but the reappearance of this character I think we saw her

[01:04:59] shadowy shape when a Riddikron jumped through that voidy portal and was like

[01:05:03] you know peace out I'll see you guys later and we know that Zalatath plays

[01:05:08] this integral part in this arc that is coming that confirm that she is the

[01:05:14] harbinger that people have you know referenced to in the past and so this

[01:05:20] would appear to me to be like that first bit of bread crumb questing business

[01:05:26] that's gonna take us from dragon flight to the war within yeah I don't know how

[01:05:35] substantive because it's a 1027 it's again it's a little one of these little

[01:05:40] sub patches and I wonder if is this gonna be you know five quests and like

[01:05:44] oh this is a lot of that or do you think that this might have like a little bit

[01:05:48] more substance to it I think like it probably will be a Zalatath themed thing

[01:05:54] that bridges it's interesting because they usually do this they have some kind

[01:06:02] of event don't know it's a bridge bridge expansions right so yes it could be

[01:06:09] yes it could be that whereabouts does that sit in the timeline I'm looking at now

[01:06:14] so it's it's like late spring late spring I harboring your course yeah so yeah I

[01:06:22] suppose it could be like that right before the beta starts for the war with

[01:06:27] I'm guessing it bridges the gap so I mean yeah I'm for it you know I mean Zalatath

[01:06:35] I kind of love Zalatath right because so explain all right so so so explain this to

[01:06:41] me then because I have seen just the outpouring of love for this character

[01:06:46] maybe it's because I didn't have the artifact I didn't play through that quest

[01:06:50] line or like other related material but what is it about Zalatath that is

[01:06:54] so enthralling to everybody well I actually haven't played through the

[01:06:58] priest quest line in Legion either and it's something I want to do because

[01:07:01] I want to understand the aspect of it as well yeah what I love about it is that

[01:07:04] like Zalatath presents is this like Kawai Void Elf kind of you know character

[01:07:11] and you just know at the end of this quest she's gonna reveal herself to be

[01:07:16] this absolutely hideous tentacle freak monster you know and she's gonna be

[01:07:23] like a disgusting writhing mass of tea hideous

[01:07:28] freak monster I love it that's what it's gonna be it's gonna be the most epic bait

[01:07:34] and switch and like people like oh Zalatath my wife who and then she's gonna be

[01:07:38] this just awful held spawn from the from the another universe you know

[01:07:45] another plane of existence a catholic mass of writhing teeth and tentacles

[01:07:50] it's gonna be amazing well that's gonna change in a hard direction

[01:07:55] oh yes I think so it's kind of like in Terminator 2 you know when like he's

[01:08:01] fighting I can't remember the actor's name but he's like in his police uniform

[01:08:06] form and then like over the yeah Rob Patrick and then like over the course

[01:08:11] of the fight that they're plugging him with all kinds of things like

[01:08:14] shotguns and explosions and and like over the course of the fight he loses

[01:08:18] control of his visage form and sort of devolves into this quivering

[01:08:24] mass of blades you know I kind of imagine like in my head it's like Zalatath

[01:08:30] like as we chase her through the expansions will eventually see more

[01:08:34] and more of her true form until she chews just this Nazoth kind of thing

[01:08:38] but I'm gonna say that's what you're gonna end up with is people holding

[01:08:42] their Nazoth waifu pillows oh yeah man I love Nazoth I love the old gods

[01:08:48] and I really love the old gods and the whole lore around them and I love that

[01:08:54] stuff so anything old god-related I'm totally down for no idea what kind of

[01:08:58] form it's gonna take though yeah it sits on top of troll and drenite

[01:09:03] heritage drama too for Dark Heart yeah which it's probably about time I'm

[01:09:10] curious to see how they handle the troll heritage armor questline because

[01:09:16] over the years there has been such a spotlight on how that race in Warcraft

[01:09:22] has been handled and sort of the influences for it and what they end up doing

[01:09:28] with that I know there's gonna be a lot of a lot of critical lenses looking at

[01:09:32] that one so it'll be it'll be curious to see how that one unfolds and

[01:09:36] drenite is just assume it's gonna be what's his face from the burning crusade

[01:09:41] intro cinematic the just a car whatever his name is the vindicator maraud

[01:09:48] that's it that it's just gonna be his armor which as a plate where I would love

[01:09:53] that not gonna lie I think that'd be fantastic and then a holiday event a

[01:09:58] new holiday event in the late spring look at that thing

[01:10:03] hmm

[01:10:05] hmm holiday event

[01:10:07] well it's late spring I could be like something that lines up with the equinox

[01:10:13] with some equinox early the summer equinox I don't know I just making stuff up now

[01:10:20] something new and fun it'll be you know or pandemonium pandemonium I had

[01:10:26] and that leads us into the war within beta and then officially transitioning into

[01:10:31] the war within pre patch where we're gonna get our war bands and there'll be

[01:10:35] some world events dynamic flight they talk about another guild updates coming

[01:10:41] in that pre patch they seem to list that early summer so to me that looks

[01:10:45] probably like June

[01:10:47] with our pre patch then like July with war within launching around August

[01:10:53] would be the sort of dart I would throw on that

[01:10:58] leading us into possibly the war within content update they list in autumn

[01:11:04] maybe being October with that 20th anniversary event in November

[01:11:10] that that seems to be about the flow that we're looking at like the back half of the year

[01:11:16] is really going to be dominated with war within content

[01:11:22] from pre patch all the way up to whatever looks like a half patch 11.0.5 will be the

[01:11:29] story in quest you know some other next up that we get leading up to the 20th anniversary event and

[01:11:35] as we've come out of the blizzcon cycle because you and I did talk about

[01:11:39] war within and we talked about blizzcon and the big announcements and stuff like that

[01:11:43] from what we've seen since is there anything else that you want to touch on

[01:11:48] that you're excited about with war within something that you're curious about

[01:11:53] that we've maybe not seen enough of they haven't talked about yet as we start to

[01:11:57] get into that delicate area where the alpha starts coming out and we start seeing some things

[01:12:03] are there some items that peak your interest to see more about

[01:12:08] man I think hero talents could be a really cool addition and we talked a little bit about it earlier

[01:12:14] yeah but I love that they're sort of drip feeding them I'm like show me the warlock ones

[01:12:20] show me the warlock ones and I just in the past when they've done this before it kind of feels

[01:12:25] like at the time I'm always playing a class that gets their reveal last

[01:12:29] yeah so I was a warrior I was shocked we got ours first I was shocked genuinely

[01:12:35] I was like holy shit and this must be a fluke

[01:12:38] what are you talking about warriors are like blizzons favorite pet class bro

[01:12:41] oh my god everybody feels like they're the redheaded step child that I'm telling you with us

[01:12:48] it's always been more it's always been warriors since Taiwan blizzons favorite class

[01:12:53] what are you talking about oh my god we can't even win our own plate pool I was over there on Twitter

[01:12:58] the other day and they're like pick a class and it was warriors paladins and death knights

[01:13:02] so we were fucking last I'm like how dare all of you ban all these people this is 70%

[01:13:08] of the people responding to this poll need to be banned for life this is terrible

[01:13:13] well well death knights basically just spicy warrior isn't it

[01:13:17] yes and then paladins like sugary sweet

[01:13:20] sparkle finger warrior I mean come on give me a break

[01:13:24] here at talus man I'm super stoked about what they could do I mean for some classes there's more law around them

[01:13:31] potentially than others like you know like for warrior you got mountain king stuff

[01:13:36] and avatar stuff which is you know straight out of warcraft 3 right

[01:13:40] but like with with like with warlock I'm just kind of like well what can they really do

[01:13:46] that all the sort of law the sort of warlock he kind of spells and the lawish kind of warlock stuff

[01:13:53] demon hunters stole all that from us so now it's kind of like they've got to figure out something kind of new-ish

[01:14:00] for warlocks maybe I mean there's a lot of demons that we haven't really been able to summon freely

[01:14:08] you know I mean we get we get like a mini pit lord on the netherport all cool down which nobody uses

[01:14:14] because it's so clunky still and it's so awkward to pull off because you have to stand still for like 14 seconds

[01:14:24] who can do that which class can do that really it's a nasty talent so I'm kind of like I'm kind of wondering

[01:14:31] like what what new demons are they gonna let me be able to summon I've played demonology since since since wrath

[01:14:38] basically so I'm like intrigued like they're gonna let me summon this demon or that demon there's

[01:14:43] tons of demons that haven't been summittable before so that that's interesting to think about

[01:14:48] I mean I suppose you already know what you're getting but are there any other hero talents or war within feature

[01:14:56] particularly excited about obviously new lore and the new zones and being underground is gonna be interesting

[01:15:03] that is going to be such an interesting experiment because they really feel like they've got it kind of figured out

[01:15:14] tech wise and then sort of environmental feel wise if you follow me where Zerolet cavern

[01:15:23] prove that we could go surface subsurface without a loading screen let's just bomb all the way through

[01:15:29] and to be able to do that through multiple zones I assume the way that this was presented in the war within

[01:15:35] we're going through several zones from surface level pretty much goes to the core of the planet or Azeroth or whatever

[01:15:43] just bombing all the way down via dragon riding because we'll probably need to get up around a few turns

[01:15:49] so just the ability to do that will be such a such a different approach than sort of you know just the regular

[01:15:55] going across a map and kind of you know going around you know more in those directions but then

[01:16:02] trying to make it feel like we're not underground the whole time which with hollow fall they seem to have

[01:16:08] figured out with like the big crystal that they're going to have up there and it certainly does look like

[01:16:12] you're out in daylight and then it's going to go all votey and weird shit's going to happen to it I guess to make

[01:16:16] like a night time. It's going to be super unique. I think that with the big crystal through the ceiling

[01:16:22] like it looks so innovative you know I can't think of a...purdly I'm sure there are some kind of inspirations

[01:16:31] they've taken because everything's kind of recycled but I personally have never seen anything like that

[01:16:36] and I thought wow that's really cool and I'm also someone who was I was really excited about the

[01:16:43] going to Azure on the Rube because we went there in Warcraft 3 and then Wrath they were like yeah you're going to get to go to Azure on the Rube

[01:16:50] and then they cut that area from the game and turned it into a dungeon or something I can't remember exactly how that all went down

[01:16:56] it was split but yeah we were supposed to have like that whole zone and you could see that there was a hell of a lot more down there

[01:17:02] we got robbed man we got robbed so I kind of feel like that's they're giving me my child up back kind of

[01:17:10] I had therapy about losing that zone and then it's come back and fixing everyone's unresolved issues

[01:17:23] I was going to say they're going to help you cut down on your therapist bills just by letting you go play with some spider folk

[01:17:29] in the dungeon for a little while because it's going to be pretty gnarly down there and I somebody who doesn't like the bugs

[01:17:35] and all that kind of stuff it I'm sure it's going to have me going but I think the Arathi the addition of them into the story

[01:17:43] and kind of getting to know this lost group that's been down there doing probably some not cool like anytime I see

[01:17:50] like super paladin stuff it always makes me nervous this sort of crusader hyper religious kind of vibe always makes me nervous

[01:18:00] in these sorts of settings. These are guys who probably remember the troll wars very strongly and I can't help but feel like

[01:18:11] because in the Forsaken Heritage quest line it's all about the start scarlet crusade again and the Gilneas storyline is about the scarlet crusade again

[01:18:22] so part of me is wondering like are these guys going to be somehow related to the scarlet crusade are they going to link up with the scarlet crusade

[01:18:31] because the scarlet crusade just seems to be you know immune to ever being fully destroyed is how many times must we teach you this old man?

[01:18:42] Oh my God there's always the one that's hiding out there somewhere it's like a little ember that lights the flame once again

[01:18:50] and so we're always kind of trying to stamp them out but yeah I mean it you very well see a connection there and how that plays out

[01:18:57] I think will be very interesting but as anybody knows it's been listening to the show the number one thing just to see more about the story

[01:19:07] I got I fighting you know Wave of Magic Wand type stuff I would love a cinematic series with Anduin like what they did with Sourfang

[01:19:20] to be able to go through that journey more deeply bring in more characters not you know not just focus on him but to bring other characters into you know that relationship with Raul

[01:19:31] as that continues on I would love to see more of that in that cinematic vein because I'm Alliance hardcore through and through but that's Sourfang series is the shit

[01:19:44] I mean that is just unbelievable the way that they told that and so to bring that back I think would be phenomenal but to be able to see that story play out

[01:19:53] really excited and then 20th anniversary event before we move off this roadmap 20th anniversary that's a big deal that they've been hyping it up already

[01:20:03] that it's going to be something big something special certainly in game we're going to be doing something and I assume out of game there's a blizzcon around that time I would think

[01:20:15] what do you think would be an appropriate way to celebrate the 20th anniversary of World of Warcraft is there something that you think they do in game or out of game that would be an appropriate marking of this occasion

[01:20:30] it's got to be like epic if it was me right and I know like I know budgets and constraints stuff like that I would literally just give hold an Alliance a new Allied race each you know it's the 20th man

[01:20:45] I would give like I don't know give Alliance a vehicle they've been asking for a million years give hold ogres there you go I've been I've been wanting that for a million years

[01:21:01] that's it I want to I want to since since that like it's just while a marsh isn't it there's like there's a horde camp of little ogres living there and I just like I was like yeah I want to be a two headed ogre warlock man

[01:21:16] I've wanted that since forever and this is why let me do it so if it was me and if I was in charge I would be like yeah it's a 20th anniversary we've got to go hard for this not more than just a little mount we've got to we've got to go hard give everyone an

[01:21:30] extra Allied race yeah you know I think that'd be absolutely awesome but it's probably gonna be late it's gonna be a toy it's gonna be a toy it's gonna be a banner it's gonna be a recolor of some amount so could you imagine the 20th anniversary here's a recolor of something you already have five of

[01:21:50] above oh my god it's gonna be the death wing mount with like the number 20 stamped onto his ass or something he's got a big gold chain with a 20 hanging off

[01:22:00] yeah I budget constraints I think might be kind of the thing because I think back to when they had those statues that they sent out I think of the orc statue of people who'd have a consistent subscription for however many years that was I

[01:22:16] was really cool and I'm sure that they knew that the numbers on that were relatively small so they contain those costs but the problem I thought with that was I think I'd missed it by you know two years but at by that point I'd still been playing consistently with not a lapse in my subscription for almost a decade and I'm like

[01:22:36] yeah there's nothing for me so I feel like you know if you do something physical like that it'll leave a lot of people out if it's based on like a time or you know a certain amount of time played or something like that but

[01:22:48] I think that a surprise like a like a new race I think that's a great thing or freeing up some sort of restriction that exists like I don't know that's some kind of armor restriction or something like that like in game some way to celebrate like hey we can all enjoy you know something

[01:23:10] but out of game I think they're going to invite people to an event and they'll rent out I don't know like the Staples Center in downtown LA and everybody can go down there and they're gonna have the Viking dog food truck and a bunch of other vendors and they're

[01:23:30] gonna give out free stuff and it'll be like BlizzCon for the masses that can't afford a regular BlizzCon. I don't know if it'll be the Darth and the author on that one but it's exciting 20 years you know when we get there it's gonna be it's gonna be a big fucking deal and super excited about that

[01:23:49] and before we jump away from the roadmap and get into our last item for this first episode of the new era do you agree or disagree that cataclysm is not classic

[01:24:10] ooh that's spicy I kind of agree actually and I'm someone who quite liked cataclysm back in the day I really like the first wave of dungeons I loved how hard it was because it was way

[01:24:30] people were mad because one thing that I didn't like about Wrath was how easy the dungeons have become and this is before Mythic Plus was a thing

[01:24:40] we were just chain running those fuckers I mean it was crazy

[01:24:44] run through spamming arcane explosion and all the dungeons became pointless and then like what they did was they released the they released three new dungeons around Icecrown Citadel which were quite a little bit they were a step up in difficulty

[01:24:59] and they were really cool so it was like okay so they've heard people that these dungeons were domineasy and now they're gonna make more difficult dungeons because this was before like scaling or Mythic Plus or keys was even conceptualized right

[01:25:15] so like when Cataclysm came out and I loved Grimbatal man Grimbatal that's like the poster child of the one I remember

[01:25:24] I love that dungeon like it was Grim and it was giving me nostalgia of Blackrock depths even back then you know this is exactly what I wanted and it was brutal it was so hard

[01:25:39] the last boss was like insane you have to be really on your game to do it and yeah maybe it was a little bit too hard because people have gotten so used to how easy Wrath was

[01:25:49] they sort of ran head first into this wall that was Cataclysm where Blizzard tried to claw it back a little bit and make it sort of like people had to coordinate and use Crop Control again

[01:26:00] and people there was all pro about it so I was like I really enjoyed it too and I loved the raid, nephorian and Nixie I was the main tank in there and I actually quite enjoyed Phylands as well

[01:26:11] and you know Dragon's Soul too I mean the cadence of the content delivery was iffy back then but that's something they can fix with classic version right

[01:26:20] but at the same time having said all that and nostalgia I have for Cataclysm it's kind of like I don't really consider it to be classic

[01:26:28] and I do think this is where Blizzard is going to hit a wall and discover that maybe there's a limit on how much recycling you can do from this classic stuff

[01:26:46] I mean in 15 years are we going to get Shadowlands classic? Exactly, where does it end?

[01:26:52] Yeah where does it end and I know it's a good excuse to get people in and clearly there must be enough people who want it otherwise I don't think they do it

[01:27:03] like if there are like hundreds of thousands of people who are looking forward to that experience of going from Wrath into Cataclysm and reliving that experience again and there's enough people doing it

[01:27:12] I think it's a good thing but at the same time I do wonder who's going to be really excited for like for Cataclysm classic and then like Mists classic and then Warlords of Drenel classic

[01:27:28] Can you imagine? I mean that's just silly

[01:27:32] Every expansion is nostalgic for someone but it's sort of like as you get further into it I think there's going to be less

[01:27:38] Shadowlands classic I just cannot see ever happening

[01:27:42] I cannot see that about you know Mists of Pandaria classic kind of weirdly probably even more so makes sense in Cataclysm classic but you can't do Mists classic without Cataclysm classic

[01:27:53] So I think like I think Mists classic is realistically where that train ends personally

[01:28:00] Oh yeah I could be wrong you know I mean if there's enough people doing it then

[01:28:06] I'm not gatekeeping the fun and it is potentially relatively easy for them to you know cheap and relatively easy for them to accomplish

[01:28:16] What excites me about classic? I imagine you know you've got thoughts on this too but season discovery

[01:28:23] I love what they're doing with that because that's something classic but new and fresh

[01:28:28] And I love this idea I love how tight the level caps are you know and I'm not someone who's really gone into it because I barely have time to play retail

[01:28:39] But like I love how the level caps are sort of quite aggressive because it's kind of like well this is season one it goes up to this level

[01:28:48] Season two goes up to this level I can totally see them doing like you know Burning Crusade seeing the discovery and then to Wrath season discovery

[01:28:56] And progressing it like that I love that they're experimenting with that kind of stuff which puts a new twist on the classic content

[01:29:04] But just re-releasing Cataclysm how it was and re-releasing Mists as it was is not as compelling to me so I don't know if you feel differently though

[01:29:13] Well I always go back to the whole reason this whole classic thing started was because you had a bunch of renegades with pirate servers that were trying to recreate the old days

[01:29:24] Because you couldn't access that anymore and they got sued into oblivion or whatever it was and so they you know they went down

[01:29:31] That was the whole you think you do but you don't meme and all that stuff and that's why they brought it back was because people wanted that original mostly unadulterated experience of the original vanilla classic whatever we call it World of Warcraft

[01:29:49] And it was all and it was primarily born if I recall because when Cataclysm happened it changed the world there was now the old world and now the Cataclysm world where a bunch of shit had changed and people didn't like it

[01:30:05] So now to then bring in that point in time to classic it's like you just undermine the whole damn thing because you can't go back

[01:30:14] Now what? So yeah I agree I think if you're gonna keep pushing this Mists has gotta be the end and then I don't know just make a different version

[01:30:27] You want classic here's classic you want burning crusade here's burning crusade you want wrath here's wrath I know that that segments the population of the player base they don't want people to be like that split up but man alive

[01:30:39] Man alive I just if they get to warlords adrenaline classic I'm fucking I'm just gonna quit this ridiculous season discovery I think you're right that is the way to go you know trying something new with the old

[01:30:55] That's the way to do it and people seem to be really happy about it and it has proven to be wildly popular

[01:31:02] So we're running a little bit long on time for this first foray into the new year and new era so I'm gonna push our trading post ratings to the next episodes you'll still get the January trading post ratings folks don't don't freak out don't write me a bunch of hate mail or I mean you can if you want to but there's still comments

[01:31:20] Don't worry we're gonna make it happen but otherwise I think we've done enough damage for one episode and I want to thank the new co-hosts the man himself jazz Corden for taking a risk and jumping aboard this train and hopefully now that now that we know we're step brothers already via our technological marriage of our families

[01:31:47] and our love of cyberpunk and everything else and the world of warcraft most of all so the opportunity to create something new really appreciate it and really happy to have you aboard and I hope all of you enjoy this as well and for those who don't already know where can the good people find you on the internet jazz

[01:32:08] Yes, I you can mostly find me on you know Twitter and threads at jazz Corden JZ C O R D N or J E Z as as a thank you really primarily American audience would know it as but yeah I just you know I thought I cover Microsoft so my job is I'm a Microsoft covering

[01:32:33] covering a journalist cover you know Windows surface general tech Xbox and now Activision Blizzard since that's part of Microsoft is part of my job now to cover this stuff so yeah I'm thanks so much dude for taking me on and I think we're gonna have gonna have a lot of fun

[01:32:51] it's so so hype talking about you know cuz my girlfriend doesn't like wow my friends don't like wow so I'm just like I'm just like brimming with this oh my god look at this cool thing that I did and like nobody cares nobody I know care so this is really hype so thanks for having me on man

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